Timothy Kellis
(04/16/08 - Initial BBT Report)
Timothy Andrew Kellis, 38, a former teacher at Highland High School and currently band director at A.G. West Black Hills High School in Tumwater, Washington has been arrested by Idaho State Police on child sex abuse charges.
It is alleged that during the summer of 2007, as a “continuous course of conduct” that Kellis fondled and engaged in lewd and lascivious contact with two minors under the age of 16 while Kellis was a counselor at Camp Grizzly in Latah County, Idaho.
Kellis has been charged with one count of sexual abuse of a child, and two counts of lewd conduct with a minor under 16 years of age.
Following his arrest, Kellis was transported to the Latah County Jail where he was subsequently released on $25,000 bond.
Kellis has entered a not guilty plea at an initial court appearance.
04/17/08 - Additional Information
The 15-year-old alleged victim in a phone call with Kellis, a call which was recorded by police, told Kellis that he had discussed the alleged molestation with someone else and that person told him to tell his parents of the sexual abuse.
It is alleged that Kellis then offered to meet the teen in Moscow, Idaho. When Kellis arrived for the meeting he was arrested by Idaho State Police.
04/30/08 - Additional Charges
Timothy Kellis has been charged with an additional five counts of lewd conduct with a minor under 16 years of age. He turned himself in on Monday in response to a warrant for his arrest on the new charges.
Following his latest arrest Kellis was being held in the Latah County Jail on $50,000 bond.
The latest charges are the result of two additional alleged victims coming forward.
A preliminary hearing on the new charges is set for May 8th. A hearing on the previous charge is set for May 15th.
05/12/08 - Arraignment
KXLY is reporting that new superseding counts of sexual abuse and lewd conduct have been filed against Timothy Kellis and that he has been arraigned on these new charges.
References:
Tumwater man arraigned on sex abuse charges (05/12/08)
Washington state band leader back in jail in abuse case (04/30/08)
Camp counselor accused of fondling minors turns himself in (04/29/08)
Kellis turns himself in, faces additional charges (04/29/08)
More charges filed against Kellis
Details emerge in sex charges against band director (04/17/08)
Tumwater band teacher pleads not guilty to sex charges (04/16/08)
Former Highland H.S. teacher facing child sex abuse charges (04/15/08)
Man arrested on Camp Grizzly sex charge (04/15/08)
This is a load of crap. Kellis would never do anything like that
wow, kellis? really?! just wow.
I ALWAYS KNEW KELLIS WAS A LITTLE OFF…..HE WAS MY CHOIR AND BAND TEACHER IN 2001-2002. HE ALWAYS GAVE ME THE CREEPS. HE WOULD LOOK AT ALL THE YOUNG KIDS TOO MUCH. THIS JUST VALIDATES EVERYTHING I EVER TOLD PEOPLE.
THIS IS A LOAD OF CRAP. HE WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS, AND HE ESPECIALLY DOESN’T LOOK AT PEOPLE, YOUNG OR OLD.
Kellis gave everyone the creeps. It seemed taboo to mention the fact that he was a little too friendly with staff and campers. Everyone just figured that he was a nice guy with just enough rebellion to be appealing to a disgruntled staff of mostly adolescents. I hate to say this, but I’m not surprised.
So instead of automatically labeling him a “bad bad teacher,” we should all wait for an actual conviction. This issue should not be a source of entertainment either: no matter how this website tries to present itself as objective and unbiased, the unjust presumptions of guilt placed upon the individuals as presented concerned here is sickening.
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Guy- you are so right…he hasn’t been convicted. So people need to stop talking **** about him. He was/is a good teacher.
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First of all, these accusations (key word, right there) are not remotely concerning his students. They allegedly occurred during SUMMER at a program completely unrelated to any school he has taught at. Therefore the title “bad bad teacher” is incredibly unfitting.
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Despite these accusations, Kellis has been a wonderful teacher, mentor, and friend to numerous students, myself included. Even for those who feel they know him well, it is not the public’s place to determine the accuracy of these charges. This is a stressful and emotional time for everyone in his community and people need to refrain from immature comments such as these.
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You should be ashamed of your website for even posting such crude allegations without any evidence.
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That Mr. Kellis is accused of sexually abusing minors the age of those he teaches in the school environment makes his listing here very fitting.
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While it will be the place of a jury or judge to determine the accuracy of these charges it is the right of the public to be aware of them and at every stage of the process.
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Ashamed?
Actually we are very PROUD of this website.
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Webmaster, my case was an example of “unjust presumptions of guilt”. I was innocent, but your site makes me look guilty. The Columbus Dispatch did a poor job of reporting and you copied it. The Dispatch did not contact me or my lawyer and used only the comments from the police, who were sure that I was guilty. They were so sure that they did not question the validity of the girls story. Most reporters are lazy and take what they are given and don’t ask any hard questions. When you report what the lazy media reports, you are giving “unjust presumptions of guilt”. The very name of your website suggest guilt.
Kristen, it is the teacher’s job to watch his students. He needs to evaluate them. He needs to compliment the students who are doing good and make sure that bullies are not hurting someone. If he doesn’t look at his students, he is not doing his job. If he was looking too closely at certain body parts, or looking only at a few kids, that is wrong.
I was molested by Tim Kellis.
I am another boy from camp.
He would come into my tent at night and try and touch me.
most of the time he would exceed his goal.
But sometimes i would tell him to go away.
Every night i was hoping he wouldnt come.
He always did.
It got really annoying.
I do know he was in my friends tent at night luckilly for my friend Tim actually listened to him when my friend yelled at him to go away.
Tim what you did was wrong and you need to go to jail for it.
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Im waiting till I get contacted by the authorities which will happen soon. I have already told my closest friends and they are probably going to tell my parents i do not want to.
This guy is a creep. When I was in high school he helped with the band and the color guard. He gave everyone the creeps then and to this day if I was to see him he STILL gave me the creeps. The allegations against him do not surprise me in the least. I will not be surprised if more victim’s start surfacing, and I will not be surprised if things come up from years earlier.
Bottom line he needs help and to not be a teacher.
What bizarre hold did this guy have to convince these boys not to report him or talk to other adult staff or leaders? When I was at camp with my son there were always adults around on the staff.
Sexual predators typically suck their victims in and trap and manipulate them with guilt once they realize what is going on. It’s common for predators to threaten bodily harm or death to a victim or a loved one. As teen-agers, it’s not hard to understand why these kids would keep quite due to shame and guilt. The predator is expert at manipulation and guilt-inducing head trips and this is far more damaging than any physical wound. Victims needs love and support, and many can heal with therapy.
It is not uncommon for victims to come forward a year or years later. This is especially true with younger children.
Kids, if any of you have been sexually harmed by Mr. Kellis or another adult, please seek help. There are some wonderful therapists and counsellors that can help you. The most important thing to remember is that IT WAS NOT YOUR FAULT. Most cities have agencies or staff that are there to help the victims of sexual abuse and their families. If you are at wits end, call a crisis clinic line or reach out to a parent or friend. If there is not one in your town, here is a place in Seattle that may be able to help or put you in touch with someone who can. http://www.kcsarc.org/
I will not make judgement till there is more evidence, but according to my son, who has worked with Tim for at least 3 years, it is a mistake. I have talked to other mothers whose children have worked with him. They all say the same thing. So maybe we can stand by this Scout and follow Scout laws, until we learn other wise. The Truth will prevail, and for Tim’s sake I hope it is a mistake. He was a great friend to my son and many others.
Mother of a Different camp staffer-thank you for finally putting out there that he has never done anything that would suggest he would harm another person.
I personally am standing by the fact that there is no hard evidence. Unless there has been a video tape of Kellis actually going into a tent or a recorded tape of him speaking to a person on his issue (not including the one the papers reported) it is one man’s word against another. Until something of this nature comes to light, I believe him to be not guilty of any crime whatsoever.
And by the way, he hasn’t been labeled as a predator by anyone-newspaper or authority.
I worked at camp in 2006 and thought Hall was an ass for always telling Kellis over and over not to bring junior staff into his cabin. We all thought that. Kellis always wanted to be incharge of the junioir staff area and to make sure the junior staff and SITs were behaving. Kellis took individual junior staff to movies and to town. And hated Hall for telling him not to. Kellis should get his day in court but my thought is there is something to this.
tim was a cool guy until the sexual abuse started. He is very 2-faced one second hes all serious and the other second he is touching me and other 15 and 16 counsolors. I know for a fact that there are 5 boys that were touched my tim. tim did take me everywhere up at camp but it always came with a price and the price was touching me whenever he wanted to. I should of moved to the junior staff area the 15 year-olds were somewhat safe there. Like tim did go into the junior staff area at night and he tried to go into my friends tents but if they told him to leave he would. Unfortunatly I was in the staff area and was always molested at night. There isnt going to be any hard evidence its my statement and the 4 other boys that tim touched.
I know for a fact that tim is sexual predator because he preyed on me. So all of you that think hes innocent your wrong.
Tim kellis is guilty. He touched my penis and said “does that feel good” what kind of sick (****) says that
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To the posters that claim they were molested: Have you come forward to seek support? Have you reported this to the authorities? They will not need hard evidence to convict Kellis if you come forward and make truthful accurate statements to the police. I guarantee you that your testimony will help to put Kellis away for years if this is in fact true. Is it possible that you might have something with a sample of Kellis’ DNA (saliva or semen)? Have you washed your sleeping bag? This is hard evidence. I encourage you to come forward. If this is true and your testimony helps to put Kellis away, you will have accomplished something extremely heroic, and you will prevent others from victimization.
Mother of camper - it is common for those around the discovery of a pedophile to be in denial. The truthful testimony from a series of victims will surely be enough to convict. I believe the audio recording of Kellis’ phone converstaion will reveal his true nature. If he is innocent, this will come out.
No one should be surprised about the charges against Mr. Kellis. It was just a matter of time. More victims will come forward and I pray a conviction will be forthcoming. To those victims who have come forward and are thinking of coming forward, Bless you and your families. You are very brave and you are doing all of youth a great service by making these accusations known to authorities. More will follow and I just pray for you and hope that you have a resource for support either by family, a pastor, a friend or school counselor. God Bless You!
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my parents asked me about it yesterday because they got a phone call from the a detective. I told them little details because I do not want them to know the entire truth. and they are taking care of all the help i need and the law side of it.
tim did not make me ejaculate and tim didnt ejaculate himself on my sleeping bag. Just came into my tent at night and touch my privates.
my parents say i need to talk to someone about it but i have carried it this far why cant i go longer…
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Kellis would not do that. I worked with him for summercamp one year, i think i would have probably noticed if something was going on…
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Sam - Your dad could probably support what other posters have said concerning predators. You may not have been a “target” but others obviously were.
The reason I suggest getting some kind of counselling is that you’ve been subjected to a potentially traumatic psychological experience. Most likely, you have experienced some of the mind games sexual predators use on their victims, like making YOU feel responsibe for their actions. If you feel shame or guilt, I want you to understand right now at the deepest level of your being that this was not your fault. I repeat: This was not your fault! Kids who have experienced the kind of abuse you have suffered have enjoyed full recovery and healing. A good therapist or counsellor can help you work through your feelings and release them in a healthy way. You may be feeling intense anger and this is totally normal but it can fester in an unhealthy way. I encourage you to get some care from an experienced professional because this kind of experience can haunt people and disrupt their lives. You may be just fine but it never hurts to reach out. BTW, school counsellors are hit or miss. I encourage you to try someone outside of the school system if you choose to do so.
Based on what is posted here, he has already been constructed as a perverse sexual predator devoid of innocence, emotion, or even humanity. I cannot support or condemn Tim because I, nor most (if any) others here, do not have the knowledge or capacity to determine the validity of the allegations. This is not for us to decide.
NO ONE should ever have to suffer the horrors of sexual abuse. It destroys lives. And I believe in justice just as much as anyone else. But we must realize that by judging him for ourselves before trial and without fully understanding the complexities or circumstances of the situation, we are unjustly wrecking his life too.
In the process, we are also destroying the reputation of Camp Grizzly and other staff members that worked there during the period in question. Let me be the first to say that I love Camp Grizzly for what it is and what it represents. And to see its name dragged through the mud in this way hurts more than I can describe.
So everyone, on any side of the debate, cool your jets until a verdict has been reached. If you really have something to say that would realistically be helpful in determining a verdict (as opposed to an uninformed opinion), a message board on a website called “Bad Bad Teacher” is not really the place for it.
Let me put it this way…. if Jeffrey Dahmer didn’t cut off your head and put it in his freezer, does that mean he was not capable of doing it. Come on people. Being in a state of disbelief is one thing but disbelieving is another. People commit crimes of all natures every day. Just because they weren’t committed against you, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. Mark my words…. Tim Kellis will be found guilty and we can all sleep a little easier this year at camp.
Good job missing the point entirely.
Thanks Guy, Go Camp Grizzly.
I disagree about Camp Grizzly, Guy. I’ve not had a single bad thought about the camp or how it is run because I know how sexual predators operate. The camp and all those involved are victimized too.
I get your point about the innocent until proven guilty thing, but when you add up all the available facts and information, and there is quite a bit, the pattern of a classic pedophile starts to emerge. Kellis should have never driven to meet the young boy after the phone call. That is what a guilty person would do. I expect that the conversation that was recorded will weigh heavily against him. I know Kellis and have connections to the school in Tumwater. Many students and staff thought he was creepy. That being said, I hope he receives a fair trial and that justice is served.
These blogs are sites where people can share opinions and information. It is my opinion that Kellis is likely guilty. If you are uncomfortable with the content you read here, I would suggest that you avoid this site.
Anon- Kent Hall was relocated to a diffrent council in Maine after an investigation by the national office regarding his sexual misconduct between himself and staffers. That is why we had a new camp director this year.
Victim- You should have spoke up while you were in camp. You know that sexual abuse is one thing that the Sr. Staff never take lightly. Procrastination on your part now only weakens your charges in the case against Tim. I had no idea… I never would of guessed. I have worked with Tim off and on since 2004 when I was a C.I.T. In my summers working with him I have never once seen or heard of any misconduct occuring involving Tim. It is hard for me to believe that someone who I once saw as a mentor could have fallen so far. I have faith in the U.S. Justice System and I only hope that justice will be served. For now as a Boy Scout I will stay loyal to my friend and mentor and testify only to what I know: I never witnessed any inapproprate behavior by Tim Kellis during the duration of my three summers of employment at Camp Grizzly. God bless and may justice be served.
Abby- Work on your comparisons buddy. Going to big jmakes you sound ignorant or just dumb.
Anyone Else- Tim Kellis did an amazing job with the shooting sports area of camp grizzly. Actions by his poor judgement and abuse of trust in no way represent the rest of the camp. The staff at camp grizzly are truly world class- they are all passionate about their jobs and love to serve.
If there are other scouts or staffers out there who are or have been sexually abused- report it. Not just to the camp staff, council, or national headquarters but to the police or law inforcement. I can testify to you that the only that true justice will be served is to contact law enforcement yourself. Orgnizations as large as the BSA tend to try and deal out their own justice and usally end up sweeping the whole thing under a rug. Remember - YOU were abused and only YOU can speak up.
Here is what I think. Although what he is accused for earned his the spot on this sight, I think that people should wait until he is convicted. Seriously, it’s getting way out of hand. Mr. Kellis may have done this, we are not sure, but honestly, he hasn’t been disrespectful in anyway to me or any of my other fellow music students. He has been respectful, and although I know he could possibly be dangerous, I remain neutral until he’s convicted. Honestly, this situation is out of hand. We have people going around our school calling him a child molestor, when we don’t really know that. This has been taken so insensitively, and I think it’s just time to relax and let the chips fall where they may. If he’s guilty, then so be it. But like the law says, he is innocent until proven guilty, and that is how I will remain through this situation. If you watched the news, it’s too bad they had to choose to talk to a student that is not only NOT a band student, but also a person who isn’t respected. She gave Mr. Kellis the wrong image, and it’s rude. She should have said she didn’t know anything. She isn’t involved in this. All I know, is this situation is getting seriously out of control, and needs to be left alone until everything plays out.
Kellis had a reputation in Clarkston of liking boys. He always had them at his house and even had one living with him. As a parent, I understand why some of these “parent of a staff” folks are so hooked on Kellis being innocent - if the parent had Kellis in their home; if the parent allowed their boy to go places with Kellis - and it turns out that Kellis is guilty of all he has been charged with, the obvious response is “how did I, the parent and protector of my son, not protect him from THIS?”. As for a black eye for Grizzly and Scouts, black eyes heal. For the victims - the wound NEVER heals. When I attended Grizzly with our boys I heard the staff yell FOR THE BOYS all week. Are you Grizzly staff parents defending Kellis keeping the HEALTH and SAFETY of the boys, all the boys (I have “boys” of my own who are teens, just like the staff) at the fore front of your zeal for Grizzly and for Kellis? Of course you don’t WANT any of this to be true - who does? But don’t allow your wants, your possible choices to allow your boy to be alone with Kellis, to color your objectivity. If you were NOT so closely tied this man and this camp, woulld you be as strong in your defense?
Sorry, Shooting Sports Staff 07′ - Your information about Hall is not only incorrect, it is legally libel. Hall was NOT accused of any sexual misconduct. Hall WAS going to remain the Valley, was offered the Camp Director spot for 2007 and (I understand) turned down a promotion in BSA to move to a public safety job somewhere in the northeast. I know Hall, talked to him Grizzly, about Kellis, talked to him about his choice to take a different job out of Scouts. Your “facts” are libel. Remember - A Scout is Trustworthy.
Shooting Sports - I am angered by your words to Victim. It is very common in cases like this for the victims to come forward later, sometimes years later. That is why the statute of limitations is so long on child sex abuses cases. It is obvious you have NO IDEA about the threats and mind games used by sexual predators to ENSURE THE SILENCE OF THEIR VICTIMS. Your comments to this effect are ignorant and insensitive. BTW, Victim’s case is NOT weakened by waiting. Not one bit. The police would LOVE to hear about it. You are part of the problem for trying to encourage silence on Victim’s part. In Washington, Victim would be able to come forward until he is 21 to file a complaint.
I have heard the Kellis has had a series of foster children. I can assure you that these kids are being contacted and interviewed by authorities now. Again, this fits the classic pedophile pattern.
And to those of you who can’t believe this could be true, you are experiencing another typical response called denial. The fact that Kellis was highly accomplished has nothing to do with the fact that he may be guilty.
And most importantly, to the other anon - you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG about victims never healing. You could not be more incorrect. It is possible for any victim to heal and experience recovery from sexual abuse. There is a mountain of evidence to back this claim. There are many resources available for victims and their families. Here is an excellent resource: http://www.kcsarc.org/ . This agency serves King County in Washington State. I include them because they will be able to point you towards resources in your area.
Here’s a reality check for those in denial. Kellis was ARRESTED on three charges. I can assure you that the police do not arrest unless there is enough proof to move forward. A conversation Kellis had with an alleged victim has been recorded by authorities. I predict that this recording will weigh heavily against Kellis. There are MANY sexual predators walking free that have been investigated but are free due to lack of legal evidence. This is one reason why many pedophiles target young children, because they make poor witnesses and are often terrorized by the need to face their accuser in court. The system is stacked in favor of the offenders. Yes, it is possible that the cop could be over-zealous and kids do lie. If Kellis is innocent, this will come out in court.
Thank you valleyscoutldr- I guess I was just misinformed. I with draw all comments about kent hall.
shooting sports staff 07 — I am neither ignorant or stupid; therefore, I will not assume the same of you. Watch how this plays out and there will be a lot of Kellis supporters feeling ignorant and stupid. How ignorant and stupid is someone who thinks a victim reports incidents immediately? The guilt and shame of victims and the fear the predator puts in them delays telling someone for years sometimes. I worked in the criminal justice system for many years and have worked very closely with similar cases. I also know Mr. Kellis and had my own concerns about his interactions with my children. Innocent until proven guilty, yes. We are not, however, prosecuting the victims. No amount of time takes away from the validity of a sexual abuse claim — period.
It is for good reason that offenders are termed “sexual predators.” They have finely tuned instincts to search out and trap vulnerable victims. They are animal-like in there predation and simply cannot control their impulses. The last child an SP will target is one who has parents that are actively involved. These offenders frequently look for children of busy single parents or addicts, or families where both parents are striving to keep up with two high-powered careers. Predators are opportunists and master manipulators that often present the pubic image of success and trustability. Out of 100 children, a predator will look for the few most vulnerable, then begin the process of grooming to further test victims for their ability to keep secrets, often through seemingly innocent actions like sharing forbidden candy or ice cream. They lure kids with fun stuff like puppies, stuffed animals, video games and movies. The kind of threats and guilt trips used to keep their victims silent is heinous and can be psychologically and emotionally devastating.
okay guys, come on. stop saying “i always knew he was a creeper” just because NOW he is being accused(key word) of this. everyone is entitled to their opinions, yes, but please dont try to turn this into something about you somehow “knowing this would happen”.
I am a student at black hills who never actually had mr. kellis as my teacher, but i spent alot of time in the band room since most of my friends are in band. mr. kellis was always a sweet guy and never put off that sort of message to me. i know people right now who are hurting so badly because of things that people are saying about mr. kellis and i just would like to say its wrong.
jokes are made around school from people who have never met the man, and its disheartening to see the close people in my life crumble under the words being used. i dont know if mr. kellis did this or not, but i urge everybody who doesnt have information on him to please not leave rude comments and try to turn this into something about you.
this is between those kids at camp and mr. kellis. that is it.
None - Is it true that Mr. Kellis had a foster child living with him that attended BHHS?
More details - KLEW-TV Channel 3 Lewiston ID:
MOSCOW (AP) - Idaho State Police say there may be more charges against a high school band director from Tumwater, Washington who taught in Craigmont for years.
38-year-old Timothy Andrew Kellis is scheduled for a preliminary hearing Thursday in 2nd District Court in Moscow. The A.G. West Black High School and former Highland School teacher is charged with one count of sexual abuse of a child under 16 and two counts of lewd conduct with a minor under 16.
The case involves two boys who told police Kellis fondled them and performed oral sex on them in their tents last summer while he was a counselor at Camp Grizzly, a Boy Scout camp northeast of Moscow near Harvard.
Now, police say as many as four more boys may come forward.
Kellis was arrested last Saturday in Moscow after police had one of his accusers call to arrange a meeting with him in the Hastings parking lot. He was arrested by an ISP detective, according to court records.
How many years was Kellis a camp counselor? Has this being going on the whole time?
I only know that Kellis had a foster child while teaching in Idaho. A boy…. go figure.
As a parent of a BHHS band student I am upset and saddend by these allegations against Mr. Kellis. I have meet Mr. Kellis numerous times and chaperoned on many of the out of town band trips.
Tell me, who has not had a so called “creepy” teacher in their past or present? Everyone has. That doesn’t mean they are a child molester or axe murderer. It means they don’t fit your definition of “cool”. I personally do not find Mr. Kellis “creepy” in any way. He is tough on the kids to perform to the best of their abilites and that of course makes some mad so it turns into him being a jerk. Please let this play out in the appropiate manner and reserve judgement, I know I am. Hang in there Tim.
To anon
It is true
Tim Kellis has a foster child
but he travels a LOT
Hint hint
(foster child does not want to be around tim all the tim)
Anon your right on about everything
Shooting sports staff 07
I know exactly who you are
you were not targeted probably because tim you knew tim before he became a sexual predator or molester.
HE DID MOLEST ME
IM NOT MAKING IT UP
I TOLD THE DETECTIVE TODAY
WHAT TIM DID TO ME AND OTHER BOYS
Victim - bless you. You did the right thing. You have much to be proud of. This is a big step in your healing. You are a hero today. Good luck!
BHHS parent - many of those that worked with would Tim disagree with you. If these allegations are true, it would be within the behavioral profile for him to appear completely upstanding and professional. Part of the act is to convey a positive, successful and trustworthy image to the world. A parent would be the last person to see the true nature.
Knowing the degree of angst, the amount of courage it would take any person - young or not-so-young - to come and go through the investigation - - - now that there appear to be at least six WHO HAVE COME FORWARD, I would HOPE that those individuals and parents who cling to “not my Tim” would at least pause and consider the possibility of Kellis having done something illegal. You don’t have to line up for a hanging at the gallows, but at least take a step back and CONSIDER there may be fire where you find huge clouds of smoke.
to anon- the comment you posted on april 19th (6:29)about kellis liking boys in clarkston is CRAP!
i live in clarkston and have known him for 3 years.
he would absolutely never do anything that he is being accused of. yes he has a fosterson… because the son didnt want to live with his parents and would rather go to a different school. kellis took him in… and dont say ohhh it was a boy, no suprise or what a coincidence.
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he is a strict teacher, not a molester.
sry “someone” but tim kellis is a molester
and camp grizzly was his stomping ground
he knew i didnt want to leave
therefore he kept on molesting
sry but your wrong
He did molest teen boys in his town because there was no protection there
camp grizzly is far away from any legit town
the counsolors was a family therefor nobody deserted camp grizzly
and tim knew that.
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I knew this man, and he seemed like a nice
guy. This has to be true on account of the multiple accusations. What kind of a BOY SCOUT would make false accusations to win money in a court case.
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THIS MAN DESERVES PRISON TIME!
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It’s common for those close to someone who has committed a sexual assault to be in complete denial, sometimes for years. I have seen people cling to denial in the face of overwhelming evidence that a crime was committed. Sometimes, family members will choose to believe a daughter or son is lying instead of facing the reality that a father or step-father is a molester.
Victim, i think you need to learn when to shut your mouth about things that you honestly don’t know anything about. i’m not talking about what you say tim did to you, i’m talking about what you say about me. you don’t know anything about me and very few people actually know the background story about how i came to live with tim and why i travel a lot.
Just to make MY story clear, i have known tim for almost 7 yrs. i have practically lived with him for about three yrs. during that time. it’s true that i lived in tumwater with him since new yrs. he has never given me ANY sort of reason to believe he would do something like that to me or any one else. i travel a lot because my parents live in colorado and i have family and A LOT of friends(including my girlfriend) who live in clarkston. this is the town i grew up in. if anyone knows me personally, they know that i come out to clarkston A LOT to see my girlfriend nd my brother and all the rest of my friends.
the reason i came to live with tim is because i wanted to move to clarkston over this summer and spend my senior yr with my friends. my parents knew that and so did tim. i am a percussionist, and i’ll be honest, clarkston does not have the music program like it used to. tim wanted me to move out to tumwater for this next school yr because the music program is better, and i could grow as a musician a lot easier than i could in clarkston. my parents wanted me to go to tumwater next yr also, but they knew i was still going to clarkston. so they offered to let me move up there for second semester of this yr. i wanted to move to tumwater because that puts me closer to clarkston and i would be able to visit more often. also because i was kicked out of the music program in colorado because of an argument i got in with my band director.
the reason i moved so quickly when tim got arrested was because my parents thought it was best because even though my family doesn’t want to believe he did this, we know that there is a possibility that he did. also, with all of this going on, it seemed pretty apparent that i would not legally be able to live there still until at least all of this was cleared up. when i found out he got arrested, i talked to some family friends here in clarkston and they said i could live there if i needed to. also, the next day i was given the opportunity to go out to tumwater to get my things. i knew that it would only take one day, and i’m glad i got moved over so quickly because that helped me get situated with all of my schooling and finding a job.
it’s true, tim does hang out with a lot of the younger kids but that doesn’t mean he is a pedophile or anything. he see’s that these kids are interested in something, and he tries to get them to pursue it as much as possible. another type of kids who hangs around him are ones who have broken homes. tim introduces them to all the possibilities in this world that they can have. they think they are just worthless, andtim getsw them interested(mainly music or boyscouts)in doiing that and making something of themselves. he tries to help them and give them self esteem.
in closing, i just wanted to get my point across that tim has never given me any reason to believe that he would do what he is ACCUSED of to me or any one else. i also wanted to clear up any questions you might have about me. if you do, just ask instead of jumping to conclusions about me when you don’t know anything about me
I knew both the foster son and Kellis. (And I am one who sadly feels Kellis has been legitimately caught as a serial child sexual predator) From what I know of the foster child, I cannot disagree about what RT posted about his relationship with Kellis. I cannot know what did or did not happen within their household, but the rest of the posting seems accurate.
One of the other issues of a situation such as Kellis’s is all the “collateral damage” to those, like Foster Child, who may NOT have been a victim, who may NOT have had KNOWLEDGE of the activities of the predator. Part of me thinks it unlikely that Foster Child had no knowledge - but I know that I do NOT know. Anyway - even if Foster Child had no knowledge, and was not a victim himself, there will likely be years and years of whispers - making rumors and suggestions that Foster Child was a victim or otherwise.
There are so many victims, “classes of victims” in crime.
Best wishes for you, Foster Child -
if Foster had known anything I do believe he’d be the first to take action against it, even if it is to start swingin. i’ve known foster for 16+ years and if anything had been revealed to him to make him think tim was a bad guy, hed have left tumwater, to live with his parents in colorado. simple as that, so all you who like makin accusations about foster kid knowing ANYYTHING about it, is just dumb.
what i find hard to understand is that i read(in an article or blog) that one of the victims says it started while watching a movie with tim. he says tim was poking and touching him throughout the movie, and afterwards, asked the boy wich tent he stayed in. if it’s true, would’nt the boy know what tim was doing? why did he tell him which tent he slept in?
Foster Kid,
Sexual predators choose the most vulnerable victims and Kellis was in a position of authority. It’s not hard to understand what happened if you understand the dynamics of the grooming process utilized by SPs.
People live under the same roof with child molesters for years without realizing what is going on because SPs are very good at creating an image of normality and respectability to those near them. Family members or associates might get little glimmers of intuition but the dots don’t get connected until after one gets caught and the truth comes out.
Foster Kid, I hope you are indeed OK. Don’t worry about the speculation. I believe you and anyone who knows how this works would not doubt your word.
Good luck to you. Remember, none of this is your fault. Stay strong. If you are troubled by this, find someoone you can talk too. There are good professionals out there that can help you.
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The only thing ive heard is your opinions…thats ok, your opinions are your opinions, but you dont have no hard evidence to back anythin up in your arguement towards tim kelis… the only thing you can argue with is from what youve heard from the victim and the press…there is no hard evidence to back none of this up… so in a way.. your just making conclusions too quickly before anythin has begun…im not saying that he did it, im not saying that he didnt.. but the way your expressing it, is that u seem to already know the facts… i call bs…
As for Abby >< wow, stop acting like ur a physciatrist….like is said to anon.. do u have hard evidence that can conclude that kelis did it???
Alright,
I didnt want to get into this, but i feel that it is very rude to make assumptions about where foster kid goes, and why. I know that people like to assume that Tim (if even guilty) did this to every one that crossed his path, but i disagree.
Also i would like to just throw out there, that i dont think it is anyones place to point fingers one way or the other untill he is PROVEN guilty by a JURY. Sure they have evidence, but agian its all hear say for right now. We only know what they have let us know. NOT everything.
One last point, is that i feel that its not fair to ruin the reputation of a respected teacher, and mentor. I think that as of right now, pointing fingers over this is not fair. I think that if he is guilty he deserves prison time, but thats really not for the people to decide. If he didnt do this think about the pain he is going through. For what?? I dont really know. I just know that i feel really strongly one way, but again its not my place or anyone elses place to hurt his reputation over hear say. Turn the tabels around on you. Would you want to be talked about like this over “blogs” i dont think so. I just dont think its right.
~Foster kid and friends of him~
When i wrote on April 20th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
I meant to say Tim wouldnt molest boys in his town because that is not his area. He was not in complete authority in clarkston.
But at Camp Grizzly he was my boss and my friends boss. He was our mentor up till he started molesting us. Camp Grizzly was Tims stomping ground he could what ever he wanted and knew me and the 3 other boys would never leave because we loved Camp Grizzly and had a blast there up till Tim started touching us innapropiatly.
So basically Tim ruined Camp Grizzly
For me and my friends that he molested
When is the next court date for Mr Kellis?
Thursday
Well, Victim, I cannot attend - but would if I could. I know you and your fellow staffers who were victimized could use another familiar face, supporting you and all those who, because YOU came forward, will not become future victims. Grizzly values YOU - it is BRAVE young men like YOU, young men with integrity, that Grizzly is what it is! I, too, recently have struggled with the idea of even wearing my staff shirt - but YOU give the rest of us strength in your willingness to expose this individual - who clearly twisted to his own ends the Grizzly staff mantra “for the boys”!
Victim,
I’m not saying tim didnt do it, or that he did. I’m just saying that i feel it really inappropriate to talk about it with people that DONT know what happened. The sad thing is, that you, the other kids coming forward, and Tim are the only ones that truly know what happened, so its not fair for everyone else to point fingers. For others, make all the assumptions in the world, but dont do it over internet. Its not just ruining Tims reputation, and life…but its effecting people that have nothing to do with it. My boyfriend included. Weather its over internet, or anywhere else, people keep asking if it was him that was molested. How hard do you think that is on him?? It really is getting to him. I Dont agree with this little chat crap. Its not fair to people that ARE involved.
Foster Kid’s girlfriend:
You just said that Victim, Kellis and the other kids coming forward are the only people that know what really happened. Okay, so since Victim knows what really happened and he is TELLING US, shouldnt we believe him and support him? Its very hard not to point fingers when about 6-7 kids are all saying they were molested. That is a lot of freaking kids. And half the band kids I know that knew him well all say this is very easy to believe. People have been talking about him being a pedophile for the past two years at BHHS. His personality has always been very bi-polar, and frankly, kind of off.
Oh Guys, this is hard on a lot of Grizzly people. Even the suggestion that this kind of systematic abuse could happen in our family threatens our concept of what Grizzly means. I don’t want to gossip about Tim. I am worried about my friends and my second home. Let’s support each other and do what we can to heal Grizzly.
FIRST OFF: Foster Kid is not really a ‘foster’ kid…hes an extremely mature, bright, intelligent teenager who knew that he couldn’t achieve the musical aspirations he desires here in Colorado. With Tim, he could. He can’t possibly be a foster kid because my mom signed the guardianship over to tim. I have known Tim for about 7-8 years now. In that time I have been coached by and coached with him for the colorguard with the Clarkston Marching Band. NEVER in those years have I EVER suspected Tim of being able to do the things he has been accused of. OH YEAH! i worked a summer at camp grizzly as well, and tim was one of the few people I knew up there…he was never anything but friendly and encouraging to ALL staff members…young, old, male, female…theres another victim in this mess, and thats my little brother who you all think is a foster kid…his life got turned upside down. how come some of these ‘victims’ are so scared to talk to their parents or the authorities? and how come some of them seem so eager to persecute an innocent? let me throw out some of my own opinions, since so many people have shared their opinions of a man they probably dont know NEARLY as well as my family and i…i think the two boys that came forward didn’t get their way at camp…so in order to get back at tim, they are getting these other boys to accuse him of this….HOWS THAT FOR AN OPINION?!?! Get a life people.
Tim always gave me and the others on the color guard that he was in charge of the creeps. The way he looked at us, said things all things that were innapproriate for someone in the roll of teacher. YES this is my personal oppion. He is a creep and I feel he is totally guilty of all accusations against him. Having said this I would like to add that he will have his day in court and then, AND ONLY THEN, will we know if he is guilty or not. I admit I have never liked him and I never will, but he is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. The “court” that is here has no say if he is guilty or not it just our oppions.
To those victims that have come forth I applaud you for doing so and not having to live with that secret any more.
I would like to end this with if my personal oppion on Tim Kellis has offended anyone, that is not the intention. I have the right to my oppion as we all do.
No matter what, half the people with their under-educated opinion on this matter will be wrong. Only those directly involved with leveling accusations have a valueable opinion. Most of the posts on this site are working off of 2 articals from poorly written newspapers. The Olympian is certainly not a standard in news journalism. This site does nothing but create a sounding board for those with opinions better kept unsaid. The shear annonymous nature of these post should lead everyone to doubt the honesty of any accusations listed here or even whether or not the people posting on this site have any connection to Grizzly or Kellis. For all you know, “Victim” is a 60 year old woman with nothing better to do but post to a less than reputable site. One thing is certain. This web site proves that many ignorant people in our world stand firm in their love for glorifying the negative, disgusting aspects of life.
Student,
Its one thing to believe, and support the victim, its another to talk crap about those involved in this (foster kid). You are going off of what others said. Hmm for some reason i have started to believe that what others say is all that you are looking at. Do you truly know what evidance they have against this man?? I doubt it. You really just like to go with the “popular belief.” Well i dont agree…this site is hurting a lot of people. I think its great that you support victim, but like Discusted said, who really knows if “victim” is really a victim. I dont know this is just in my family, but i know that if i were “molested” as victim is portraying on here, i am pretty sure there is no way in HELL that my family would allow me on the INTERNET to tell the entire world about this. They would want to protect me. And i’m pretty sure (this is a steriotype) that if i were a 15 year old boy, it would be pretty hard to let this out in the first place, but to get all the nasty remarks everyone on here that is not believing it is giving him, i just dont think i would be able to handle it. Oh and honestly would you all believe it if Tim got on here and told the world he was innocent?? I mean that would be him giving his word right?? Well it would be different though, because he ISNT a young boy, and more people are against him and want to see him in prison. Why cuz he is a little off?? Really your hurting people. Its not fair!! How is it so easy for the world to believe “victim” but they cant believe Tim. I just dont understand. Its really hippocritical i think! I think it just needs to end!!!
My suggestion for “Foster Kid” and his relatives is to simply not read this blog. I think it will just be too upsetting for you. Everyone here has a right to state an opinion. I believe that people were simply concerned that Foster Kid may have been victimized. That was certainly a concern of mine and I am glad that he was not. I am pleased to see that FK is getting a lot of support from family and friends. Stay strong and weather the storm. It will get better eventually. One of the worst things that can happen to a victim of sexual abuse is to be told to shut up. It took great courage for the boys to come forward and make police reports. If the abuse did occur and this comes out in court, many future victims will be spared.
And if it comes out in court that this abuse didnt happen…there goes the reputation and life of this highly respected man. But who cares right?? And people arent concerned about “foster kid”…they are making assumptions before knowing the situation. And frankly i’m NOT okay with that. Know the story before you point fingers. Thanks. An opinion is great…have them. Dont tell them to everyone else, because then we get “gangs” or what ever you would like to refer to them as. Until the COURT decides what the verdict is, i think its best to just stop with the “opinions” and grow up. Honestly its gone over board. Be concerned, and be there for the “victims,” but dont ruin the lives of innocent people in the process. If foster kid and his “family and friends” dont read this, and post how they feel people will go back to thinking he was a victim, when really…he WASNT! So its time to stop! Really. Its getting old.
To Victim - so you are saying that even though u say that tim kelis “molested” you and your friends, you stayed there anyways becuase you loved CAMP GRIZZLY?… You know, for one if you were actually molested, i doubt you would still want to be there… Victim I honestly think that you have really nothin to back anythin up with your accusations. . i have also heard that the victims are so much bigger than tim kelis….do you honestly think that tim kelis would go for someone bigger than him if he was a molestor…i doubt it.. usually molesters go for realistically smaller individuals who dont fight back….So from what i hear coming from your BS mouth… im starting to think your full of lies…
I mean from what “Disgusted” shared and “Foster kids gf”, he and she is right.. your parents wouldnt even allow you on the computer and internet to even share information or tell the entire world… So im not really convinced with anythin your saying, you have no hard evidence, and all i hear is bs, becuase of the fact that you have not even answered my question the first time i replied.. DO YOU HAVE HARD EVIDENCE???? and youve been avoiding that question… the only thing your after realistically i think is to get back at kelis for being an ass and strict with you idiots.
Like Foster child big sister said, i think the two boys that came forward disliked kelis in such a way that in order to get back at tim, they are getting these other boys to accuse him of this…. and its funny how you say that your “friends” got molested too… I think they are just lying for you… but like i said, it funny how you and your friends say that you got molested, and you have no (****) to back anythin up….
and i have a feeling that if you guys lied… and tim kelis is innocent, and the truth comes out that he is innocent.. that there will be a lot of people coming for you…. and ruin you lives, just like you ruined his… but if hes guilty than i apologize.. but if he’s not… all of u accusers will be hated for, 1 lying and ruining someones reputation, life and career… and 2 for waisting everyone elses time….
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Victim(s) - remember you have MANY who also love what Grizzly stands for, who know Kellis AND who support you. We may not WANT to believe the allegations - but we accept the likelihood that the molestation did happen. I knew Kellis for 4+ years and always had my suspicions, too.
You have (as will likely be the verdict) been a victim of a molester. Keep your courage and do not allow yourself to also be a victim of cyberbullying / threats from Foster Kids Friend and BBHS student. Many have suspected Kellis long before he went to Tumwater.
To Foster Kids Friend and BBHS student:
Where do you get your vast knowledge about molesters & their behaviors? About victims and their behaviors? About people, especially HS aged people, who put on a “happy face” for their friends, their classmates, even their parents - only to be so miserable inside that they commit suicide in HS? (Read the papers, do a little unbiased research I may write an thoroughly researched article for your school or local newspaper)
Know anyone who would endure wrong-doing to stay “in the crowd”? Look around - it happens every day in every school & on every school team in this country. What do YOU know about Grizzly (first hand knowledge)? Sorry, you are WAY off base - and have known Tim for how many MONTHS? (As opposed to YEARS)
anon- my suggestion for the friggin victims is to not read this blog and not comment on it….thats gonna screw a lot of crap up for them in court….GO TO THE AUTHORITIES not the INTERNET.
yes, this can and most likely will be printed off and could very well be used in court someday…
No one answered my question. If tim got on here and defended himself, how many of you “victim” lovers would actually listen to him?? I would really like to know. This site is honestly hurting people and its really starting to (***) me off. Its rude.
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I think a few of you guys need to fall down and practice getting up a few times. Time for a reality check. This kind of crap is why most victims of abuse do not come forward. Have some compassion and common sense, 95% of child victims are NOT lying. As a matter of fact, those who disagree should hop on over to the city library or even Google the subject of sexual abuse and get some facts. As if it the abuse isn’t devastating enough, then some of you folks are inclined to let ignorance prevail and say that these young men are lying? Kellis is a vile human being for what he has done and get this, if there wasn’t enough evidence against him he wouldn’t have been arrested. Some of you claim that this man would “never do such a thing”. How do you know? Were you there? Abuse happens ALL THE TIME, ALL THE TIME, ALL THE TIME!!!
GIRLFRIEND….. if Tim came to this site to defend himself, I would laugh my butt off. He would be that stupid, though. I’ve know him for several years…. I wouldn’t believe a thing that came out of his mouth before or after the allegations. Sorry if that offends you… but you asked.
By the way, there are going to be strong opinions on both sides of this issue. Sure it’s hurting people. The way I read it, victim has been threatened and called a liar. Tim has only been called a liar.
I believe that your boyfriend is a victim of circumstance and people have no right asking him if he was molested. He is certainly entitled to his opinions and beliefs just like everyone else posting a comment; however, he is not going to convince people like me that Tim is not guilty of the charges. On the flip side, we (people that believe Tim is guilty) cannot convince your boyfriend that Tim is guilty.
You do what you want, but I think if this site is so upsetting to you, you should avoid it. It sounds like you would be happy if every post was defending Tim. Well guess what, I would be happy if every post was condemning him.
To Victim. If you at all feel threatened by the post from Foster Kid’s Friend, you should report him to the administrator of this site. For what it is worth, I believe you and your friends’ allegations. I have suspected Tim of being a child molester for a long time and made those concerns known to school administrators, law enforcement, and other parents.
Victim - Don’t listen to the negative posters. They are in denial and pain too. They are also victims of a different sort. It’s common for some people to try to silence the victims of sex abuse. It happens in every case. Usually, the family and friends of the accused scream the loudest. You did the right thing. I believe you. The truth will about Kellis will come out soon, in a public court of law. You have much to be proud of.
I would like to hear from Tim.
What is his story?
To Foster Kid’s Friend and BHHS student
Tim knew martial arts
I was smaller than him at the time
He was my boss
He knew how to shoot a gun
Terefore i was scared and embarrassed to tell anyone
I am still scared
And i will be until Tim is in Jail
This websight is helping me heal and process what is happening.
I could of not said anything to anyone on this sight and you all Would keep believe that TIM KELLIS is innocent which is the Complete opposite of what he is.
Thank you anon your helping me and others see the truth.
Im going forward in scouting and getting my eagle just to prove that nothing can stop me even getting molested at the one camp i loved cannot stop me from getting my eagle.
im sry for the hardship of realizing your friend “tim kellis” is a sexual predator but its the truth so get over it.
and im not 60 by the way
i was 15 at camp and now im 16
I told you Foster Kid’s Friend and BHHS student
Everyone liked tim
He was a good guy a cool guy
He was amazing at shotgun and taught me how to shoot
All the 15 year olds got along with him
We were working for money up at camp therefore we did are work.
tim didnt have to make us do it.
We just did it.
Because it was our job.
tim was never strict on us.
We got the work done.
and at night he would molest us after a hard days work for what 4 dollars an hour.
he would come into my tent and lay on my bed and ask for some SEX.
I would be sleeping in my tent this is like knocked out cold sleeping and i would wake up to tim either coming into my tent or leaving it. You have no idea what it feels like to be molested and the mind games he played on me and my friends. And hopefully you never will have to endure the pain of carrying a weight that makes you cry that makes you feel stupid and everything is your fault.
SHAME is a big one.
you dont want anyone to know what a 38 year old man did to u.
Victim - thanks for your messages. The reason I know so much about this stuff is that, about three years ago, we discovered that my little girls was being sexually abused by a step-grandparent. She was just three-years old. The jerk threatened to kill her if she ever told. She said he threatened to kill me too. Unfortunately, the evil bastard walks free today. The police KNEW he was guilty but did not have enough evidence to arrest him. One big reason is that my daughter was simply unable to tell us what happened. Little kids make lousy witnesses and pedophiles know this. On the other hand, you have had the incredible courage to come forward and tell your truth. Please pay no attention to the negative posters. They have no idea how the dynamics of sexual predation work. I just want you to understand that there is absolutely no way this was your fault. Your were an innocent victim. Period. End of story. Every person that experiences what you have gone through feels some degree of shame. Often it is overwhelming. Sexual predators are experts at using shame and guilt to trap their victims and ensure their silence. I know this is very challenging for you, but it is also quite typical and normal for you to feel this way after the experiences and mind trips you’ve been subjected to. I want you to understand that you can and will heal from this. There are some great people out there that specialize in helping kids like you mend from the shame and guilt caused by this kind of abuse. Remember, IT’S NOT YOR FAULT!
For anyone interested in learning more about the issue of sexual abuse in children, here is an excellent website: http://www.darkness2light.org/
This organization is called “Darkness 2 Light” and their motto is “Confronting Child Sexual Abuse With courage.” Good luck.
Victim…. the only one that should be ashamed is Tim Kellis. Hold your head high and know that you did what is right.
Anon…. your knowledge and personal experience in this subject matter will be of great benefit for those looking for answers. Thank you for sharing. God Bless you and your little girl.
As a former staff member at Camp Grizzly, I am quite familiar with all the staff areas. The tents the victims speak of are fairly close to each other…unless all the tents in the junior staff area were empty (not likely) SOMEONE would have heard SOMETHING…in this case, a good scout would have reported, or should have reported something to an adult. i may be a girl, but i know all the Scout morals and rules of camp. no matter how anyone may think that tim ‘brainwashed’ the alleged victims, i really dont think that the staff area is so big that no one heard anything or saw tim entering or leaving an area where he shouldn’t have been…oh yeah…tim had roomates in a cabin that summer…they would have known if he was leaving during the night. VICTIM: if you are ‘brave’ enough to tell your story to a bunch of strangers, you should be ‘brave’ enough to tell the authorities…your friends did, why can’t you?
Actually, Foster Kid’s Big Sister, go back and read Victim on April 18th, 2008 at 11:12 am.
His tent was in the staff area - one of many placed between cabins. Quite easy to have someone sneak into at night - and the cabins are quite easy to move in and out of.
With your vast knowledge (when were you there? None seems to have any recollection of you or anyone who shares FK’s last name) - Which cabin was Kellis in? Was Kellis in a single person cabin or a large cabin when this occured? Who were the other staff in the cabin with him? How many molestations would need to occur before, in your mind, it is a problem?
Hang tough, Victim!
You know you are actually right anon or advocate, i dont know everythin about this situation… so i apologize for calling the victims liars…but i do find it suspicious to why the victims’s parents would let them be on this blog and say everythin.. so im just going to leave it at that… i apologize again.. and i will just wait until the verdict comes… becuase i cant argue with anythin until this comes into conclusion… i havnt made threats.. i have just said if he’s innocent there will be a lot of people that are going to hate them…but like i siad if he is guilty then i apologize… so i lay at rest until the trial is finished…. and then we’ll find out how accurate the evidence was…
Foster Kids Big Sister- you have some very serious denial issues going on. You really need to do some research. You dont know! You just dont know! You cant claim by any means that somebody would have heard something and that these young men are any less of a Scout because of Tims actions. Your comment was very abusive and demoralizing. That is the same kind of manipulation that Tim used on these teens. I would venture to assume that it is alot easier for Victim to explain this situation to a stranger than it would be explain it to somebody who he knows and has to see regularly. There is no doubt in my mind that Victim will, if he has not already, file his report. I also understand that some of you are young and write based off of your emotions and not facts. But please do some research and take into consideration that there are many victims and this does not harbor the appearance of a conspiracy.
Foster Kid’s Friend & BHHS student…. actually, you also said, “and i have a feeling that if you guys lied… and tim kelis is innocent, and the truth comes out that he is innocent.. that there will be a lot of people coming for you…. and ruin you lives, just like you ruined his…” Whether or not you meant that as a threat, it is one.
Also, is it at all possible that you are clinging to the idea that Tim is innocent in order to quiet the public’s assumptions that you were molested? If that is remotely possible, it is very selfish.
One more thing. What kind of “hard evidence” are you expecting victim to come up with. Trust me, there is plenty of evidence in the possession of the ISP. Enough to arrest him. Believe it or not, it takes a lot of evidence just to get to that point.
To Foster Kid’s Friend and BHHS student
It is my right to be on this websight.
And my parents are not going to take that away from me.
Its helping me deal with it. I have not thought about what tim did to me up at camp until now well off and on but nothing serious.
I filed my report last saturday.
Thank you staffer
Anon im sry that happened to your daughter i dont see why god has to put these creeps into existance.
Like i said, i apologize for what I said… i think i already clarified the apology, i was in a mad stand point , becuase of there being a blog in the first place about tim kelis.. becuase technically it should be only the advocate,the victim and the court and tim kelis’s case… no one else should say anythin about this or get opinionated on it, becuase they dont know anythin… it hsould only be the main people in the case…. and like i said with the hard eveidence, i was just in a mad state becuase of everythin in this blog that has been talked about…i remain neutral until everythin is over.. becuase like you said i dont know the whole facts.. so i apologize….and i reamin at that…
Like i said, i apologize for what I said… i think i already clarified the apology, i was in a mad stand point , becuase of there being a blog in the first place about tim kelis.. becuase technically it should be only the advocate,the victim and the court and tim kelis’s case… no one else should say anythin about this or get opinionated on it, becuase they dont know anythin… it hsould only be the main people in the case…. and like i said with the hard eveidence, i was just in a mad state becuase of everythin in this blog that has been talked about…i remain neutral until everythin is over.. becuase like you said i dont know the whole facts.. so i apologize….
btw sorry for the duplicate comments ><….
to Abby - btw… i was not molested in no such manner..and how dare you assume that… you dont know who I am… and no im not trying to cling to cool off the publics assumptions.. its just my opinion…no one elses… its just what i have to say…
Loyalty to someone can be good - and can be misplaced. How many times have you seen the post-crime interviews of the neighbors of the perp where they say “I never would have guessed he (or she) would have committed such a crime - he (or she) was such a nice person, quiet, friendly to everyone”
Be careful of letting youthful passion / idealism cloud your judgment and objectivity. Some of us have known Kellis for YEARS and have had the same suspicions being raised here.
Take some time and listen to the song: “Back When I Knew It All” by Montgomery Gentry.
I guess at least one part of this will play out today - no matter the outcome, MY KIDS & GRANDKIDS will continue to be warned about individuals like Kellis
Foster Kid’s Friend & BHHS student…. I do not assume in any way that you were molested by Tim or anyone else. I meant to refer to the public’s assumption that “your friend” (the foster child) was molested. I reread my comment and I did mess that up. I apologize. I do not assume the foster child was molested; however, according to his own comments, many people are.
One thing you need to keep in mind is this. Tim Kellis was not always at your school. He has only been there a short time. You and your friends are not the only people that have come into contact with him.
Guess what…. this isn’t the only blog about Tim Kellis. Good luck putting an end to people’s opinions on this subject. If this site makes you so angry… don’t read it.
I read that there is a hearing today - if you have any information about the hearing, outcome, etc please post it.
Foster kid - Please don’t take it personally. It’s just a fact that pedohiles sometimes DO make arrangements to have foster children and then molest them. I know of many examples where this is true. When I heard that Kellis may have had a foster child, I was concerend for that person’s safety. I had sincerely hoped that that young person had not been abused. I am very glad that you were not abused and I have great compassion for you because your association with Kellis is causing you pain and stress.
anon- foster kid is NOT a foster kid! kellis is a TRUSTED family friend who allowed my brother to live with him in order to help him further his music career. ya’ll have your facts seriously mistrewn about kellis having a foster kid…and STAFFER-i worked at grizzly the summer before my junior year of high school and stayed in a tent in the staff area…for everyone else…there is a history of sexual abuse in my family…my stepdad was abused and his god daughter was abused around a time when i spent a lot of time at her house…my parents are VERY protective when it comes to sexual abuse…if they EVER had a single doubt in there mind about kellis being able to do something about this, they would not have allowed him to be such a big part of my family, sharing holiday meals with us and helping my mom lead a scout troop…as much as everyone feels for the victims, and if they are truly victims, i feel for them too…how will you feel if this all comes out backwards in the wash…i hope apologizies will be as forthcoming as accusations were…i would like to remind everyone of the story of one of my former teachers and basketball coaches, Brian Morrow…after being horribly accused of indecencies with a young girl, it was found that he was innocent and that the girl had actually pursued a relationship with him and when denied, got revenge in a way that has pretty much destroyed his life. THERE CAN BE VICTIMS ON BOTH SIDES. don’t be close-minded.
Foster Kid’s Big Sister
I can assure you that this is not a revenge
Was the hearing today? Bring us up to date, please.
I am not saying he is guilty or not, that is for the courts. I do have one Question. Why if all these people are saying they always thought he was a molester, did they not say something or watch him better. Even though I can not speak for the victims, I would hope by know at there age they have been taught and understand, it is not right, it is not there fault and to talk. I just hate that if this is really true that it has taken this long for anyone to say anything. So if any of you feel like you have been disrespected at any time by and adult, talk. People will listen. For everyones sake I hope this is wrong, but if not my hearts go out to any victims, and hope others will learn to watch and report if they have any doubts at all.
May God Bless all who are involved. Please don’t let this interfer in the good Camp Grizzly does for a lot of young men.
Remember:
In spite of what has been said earlier, there WAS a “rumor” about the Camp Director at Grizzly in 2006. The “rumor” was something like… he had entered a youth staff tent at night in a state of undress. The rumor was bad enough that he was removed from the camp by the Scout Executive for the last part of the season.
A week or two later the Scout Executive, Tim McCandless, said at a meeting that it had been a “misunderstaanding of the Boy Scout youth protection guidelines.”
He was also quoted by the Lewiston Tribune on August 9, 2006, as saying, “there are no issues of sexual misconduct by anyone,” and “there had been a personnel matter that resulted in a staff member leaving the camp pending resolution of the problem.”
(Coincidently, the Camp Director left the employ of the Boy Scouts a short while later and took a job in another part of the country.)
A couple scout leaders who reported the “rumor” have said that the issue was swept under the carpet and they have since been punished by the Boy Scout administration for making the report. Those individuals were not seen at Grizzly in 2007.
It is no wonder that even though there were 20 plus adult staff members at Grizzly last summer, that they were blind as to what was going on.
Big sister - First of all, we are simply referring to your brother with the title he presented, and that was Foster Kid. Anyone who has been paying attention knows under.
no there is not a hearing… i heard it got moved up
Victim,
I just have to ask, if this was such a traumatic experience, and it was something so horible for you that you had to keep it inside, how was it at the same time something you barely thought about? If it was seriously something that didn’t bother your daily life, then why did it all of a sudden become the center point? If you just “off and on” thought about it, it seems like it wasnt a big deal then.
And on a different note, God doesn’t put people here saying “that ones gonna grow up and moleste that one.” God gives each and every one of us FREE CHOICE, which shows how much a loving God he is
bystander
you dont know what your talking about
get molested and lets see how u deal with it
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Bystander, Victim’s response is typical for the situation.
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What is that suppose to meen? Anon
I had been involved in Scouting a= for many years as a Scout Leader and at Camp Grizzly. I read what CDAscouter had to say and I know exactly what he/she is saying. I can truly back up what they say. There has been soemthing going on at Camp Grizzly for quite some time (several years). There were drugs, alcohol, and possible sexual thigns going on over the course of several years (2001 to 2007). Yes these concerns were brought up to the Spokane Office. Yes the Spokane Office states there were investigations done. Guess what? The answer was always…..”There is nothing going on!”
I know for a fact that there WAS something going on because I was there working on different things at Camp, when most of the adult staff was gone for the weekend. There were Camp staff that were of legal age to purchase alcohol, there were Camp staff that had “connections” for illegal “stuff”, and there was talk about certain staff engaging in activities on the weekends.With that being said….I never heard Mr. Kellis’ name mentioned but had seen times when he was with junior staff (alone) when Scouting rules require 2 deep leadership for youth / adult protection. There were comments that he had provided alcohol to underage individuals. However, there was no one that ever investigated these allegations, either adult staff or the Spokane Office.
As CDAscouter says, when Mr. Hall was accused of misdoings, there was not a lot of follow up. One could say this was another very poorly investigated situation on the part of the Spokane office. They come to Mr. Hall and ask. I’m sure a person is going to say “Sure, I’m the one you want!”
I guess what I am really trying to point out is even though there is talk of a lot of people not knowing or seeing things happen, there is also some that don’t want to acknowledge the fact that there may be soemthing going on in there own backyard. Signs aren’t going to be posted to let you know somethings up, the wrong people in charge of investigations aren’t going to want to look deep enough, and the victims are almost always going to be afraid of coming forward. Let’s see how the investigation and the evidence comes forward. I’m sure there will be much coming out as Mr. Kellis worked at Camp for 5-6 years and there is a lot of stuff that went on over that time frame. Believe me, it will all come out and others may be mentioned. I am a true believer in what goes around, comes around. It’s all a matter of time.
What, the fact that it barely plays a roll in any part of their life, and yet it is an enormous thing that he has to deal with is normal? and anon, who the heck do you think you are, some psychologist who has his phd and knows exactly every single part of the mind workings of abused children?
Oh, if i was ever getting molested, im pretty sure a good crotch kick would most likely buy me enough time to alarm SOMEONE
Bystander …. did you not read the post where anon shared that his own daughter was a victim of sexual abuse? I bet he wishes he didn’t have to know anything about the “mind workings of abused children” but he does and he has been a source of strength for the victim — and yes he is a victim whether it took him six months or six years to come forward.
Anon… I checked out the web site link you provided and found it very useful.
Bystander
yah thats what u think u will do.
But when it comes down to it.
u just lay there sit there stand there until they tell u that u can go.
Victim - I was responding to bystander’s post that questioned why you didn’t respond sooner. When I said your response was typical, I meant to say that it did not happen immediately. I’m in your corner all the way, buddy! Sometimes, victims come forward years after the abuse, and that is why the statute of limitations is very long with this crime. According to reputable sources, only about 10% of child sexual abuse even gets reported, so for you to step up is truly exceptional and very courageous.
bystander, unfortunately, I have learned about the dynamics of abused children and sexual predators first hand. I am living this on a daily basis. I have participated in a year-long police investigation and learned much from the detectives that were investigating the case. I have witnessed in great detail the lies and deceptions spun by sexual predators. I have been targeted with a blame-shifting, negative backlash from those family members that still support the creep that sexually assaulted my daughter. I have been involved with parent support groups and have read extensively on the subject. I have worked with city, county and state agencies that are designed to support the victims of abuse and their families. I also have a college background in psychology and my wife has a master’s degree in Psychological Counseling and has run therapy groups for abused children and their families, so yeah I know what I’m talking about. got a problem with that? abby was so right. I wish I never had to learn about this the sick and twisted world of sexual predators, so pardon me if I feel like reaching out and supporting victims of sexual abuse with solid factual information and emotional support.
Mother of a Different Camp Staffer… I did bring my concerns about Tim Kellis to the attention of school administrators. They passed off his unusual behavior as that of a childlike adult. After exhausting that resource, I took matters into my own hands and kept a very close eye on my own children and Tim Kellis. I educated my children about child molesters and they were told never to be alone with Tim Kellis under any circumstances. In fact, I had a conversation with Tim Kellis where I made it very clear to him that I questioned his intentions toward young boys. I advised him that that he was absolutely not allowed to have any contact or conversations with my children other than what was necessary in their music class with other students and/or teachers present. I was on to him and he knew it. I wasn’t the only one with suspicions. His odd behavior and seemingly strange interest in young boys was known throughout our community. He was often the butt of many jokes among high school kids. Some kids likened him to other known child molesters.
Ive always thought Mr.kellis was a creeper i never liked him. he was always a jerk. i am totally not surprised when i heard that he was accused for sexual abuse. I hope he will be brought to justice. I’m behind you all the way victim. and im srry to hear about what happened to your daughter anon.
To bandstudent and to everyone else:
grow. up. seriously, you don’t know this guy.
you knew him as a teacher and that was it.
so what gives you the right to judge someone
when you don’t even know him
you don’t, you have no right to accuse him of anything
especially since he hasn’t even been convicted of this crime
he was my guard instructor for atleast two years. and I have been at camp with him for three years.
he has worked with many kids, boys and girls.
just because he was a jerk, that doesn’t make him a sex offender also. He loved what he did, he was passionate about music.
and children. Lets be a little liberal here people.
a little mature, it’s one thing to state your opinion, but its a completely different thing to assume all of this (****) is completely tims fault.
you don’t know the story, and you don’t know tim.
you knew him as a teacher and a mentor, a blunt honest man.
None of us have any right to point fingers, and assume all of this (****). even the people who don’t know the story.
so my suggestion for most of you. would be to shut (*** ****) up, unless you know what you are talking about.
thank you.
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im just stating my opinion. im not saying that because hes a jerk hes an sex offender. i think hes guilty because there are 6 kids now that have come forward saying that they were sexually abused by him. 16 year old wouldn’t lie about this kind of stuff.
Abby,
Thank you for doing what you thought apporiate, and am sorry if this is all true things didn’t come to surface sooner. All I am trying to say, is I just have trouble with all the youth protection videos etc. That it hasn’t come out sooner. I am praying for all involved. And that camp Grizzly will still be able to help the kids it can.
Mother of a different camp staffer - As a parent of a former staffer I am concerned, too. Everything I have read about Kellis makes me want to vomit. My son says Kellis was always interested in young staff but never bothered him, so I guess I can count my blessings. My son complained about having to watch the videos over and over every year. I do not know if Kellis was ever confronted by others at camp. I would think that would be expected. Does anyone know if Kellis was confronted for being alone with boys?
FomerScouter -So you knew FOR A FACT of the LAW being broken and did nothing about it - just left it to others? I certainly am impressed!
If you want to try to understand some of a victims how and why read this http://rumination1.blogspot.com/2008/04/this-post-is-coming-from-stop-baptist.html and this http://stopbaptistpredators.org/article07/waiting_decades.html
Former Scouter said: I never heard Mr. Kellis’ name mentioned but had seen times when he was with junior staff (alone) when Scouting rules require 2 deep leadership for youth / adult protection. There were comments that he had provided alcohol to underage individuals.
Well, Former Scouter - I lay the misery and abuse these boys experienced DIRECTLY at YOUR feet. The very issues that YOU witnessed but did not take ACTION on led directly to the molestation! Be proud of yourself, Former Scouter. You blame others for not taking action - YOU could have brought this to the attention of NON_Scouting authorities and eliminates this cancer before it spread!
Hey folks. It’s time to ease up on who did or didn’t say anything. You have no idea what goes on. First, someone like Kellis was a an adult in a position of authority. That’s hard to go up against anytime for a kid. And if you are an adult (parent), you run the risk of being sued. The blowback on something like this can be fierce, even if it’s true. You would also be surprised how many in authority are willing to try to brush something like this aside.No one wants to believe this goes on. For an observer, it’s hard to accept that something like this is really happening. Intuition might be at work, but it’s not like a sexual offender is molesting somebody out in plain sight. It’s almost like you are in denial a little bit. Sexual predators may put off a vaguely threatening vibe and will often target those that they feel threatened by, through aggressiveness or by marginalizing that individual. Please lay off the guilt tripping. You have NO IDEA about what goes on for anyone involved. Efforts to make someone feel guilty are not going to help anyone.
You are welcome Invisible. Hopefully people will read those articles and get a little understanding of the dynamics involved in these things.
Invisible, Please do not give up band because of this, if true he won’t be the band teacher and you sound smart enough to know what to do if anyone else tries to act in this fashion. Band can have memories and friends that you would never want to forget. Stay if you enjoy the music and all the trips etc. Enjoy. This should not affect you. Anyone reading this should now be a little more aware of what to look for and what to do if they see behaivor, like they are claiming happened.
Kids…. Please enjoy your childhood, and for those who may have been taken away. I